Discussion:
Kurt Lochner-Harrington is not too stable, he's sick
(too old to reply)
Knifefight Afterdance
2011-01-03 16:04:44 UTC
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Re: Kurt Harrington

http://www.facebook.com/people/Kurt-Lochner-Harrington/1584259015

Lucile Irene Harrington was born on May 11, 1905. She was born in the
half-dugout sod shanty on her parentsÂ’ homestead in the Bellview
School District, north of old Floris in Beaver County, Oklahoma
Territory. She died on November 25, 2003 at Edmond, Oklahoma. [...] In
Dodge City, Kansas on September 3, 1927, she married Robert Floyd
Harrington. They lived with FloydÂ’s widowed father, R.B., north of
Forgan for the first two years of their married life. To this union
their only child, Iris Roberta, was born. [...] Upon retirement they
built a home in Beaver and lived there two years before moving back to
the Oklahoma City area to be near their daughter, Iris Lochner. In
addition to her daughter, Iris Lochner, and her son and his family,
her younger sister, Christine Julien, and her aunt, Aline Johnson
survives her. [...]
http://www.genealogybuff.com/ok/ok-beaver-obits1.htm

We all extend our heartfelt sympathies for the loss of Granny
Harrington.

We do, however, wonder why Iris' sister, her Aunt, AND her
sister-in-law are ALL mentioned by NAME while her ONLY SON KURT is
tossed off like a nameless wanker?

What's up wif dat, Kurt?


And, while we're on that Subject, how's-come there's no mention of
Iris' hubby?


Profile for Kunt from a decade ago....
http://groups.google.com.bz/groups/profile?enc_user=7d3uvRgAAAASv6aYW...

Or: http://tinyurl.com/a8z3w9
Man_of_Mind
2011-01-03 16:27:05 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
What's up wif dat, Kurt?
Glad you asked..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/bank-of-america-wikileaks_1_n_803503.html

"The Huffington Post 0 Lila Shapiro 01- 3-11 09:00 AM

"In a burst of wikipanic, Bank of America has dived into
full-on counterespionage mode.

In an interview from October 2009, WikiLeaks director Julian Assange
told Computer World that his organization was in possession of cache
of information taken from a 5GB hard drive of a Bank of America
executive. It apparently took until November of this year for the
news to sink in at BofA, where, according to the New York Times,
they have now launched a broad internal investigation, in an
attempt to discover the content and source of the alleged leak.

"If something happens, we want to be ready," one bank official
told the NYT. "You want to know what your options are before
it comes out, rather than have to decide on the spot."

15 to 20 bank officials, along with consulting firm Booz Allen
Hamilton, will be "scouring thousands of documents in the event
that they become public, reviewing every case where a computer
has gone missing and hunting for any sign that its systems might
have been compromised."

So far, the team hasn't found the source of the leak. As for the
content, the NYT reports that the counterespionage task force
is focussing closely on BofA's acquisition of Merrill Lynch,
which was investigated by the SEC in 2009 and 2010, along with
the bank's acquisition of the ailing mortgage giant Countrywide
Financial in 2008.

As Assange put it in a recent Forbes interview, his organization
latest link will detail the "the ecosystem of corruption" in corporate
America.

No word yet as to when this newest material will be leaked, but
according to the Computer World interview, the delay may be a matter
of presentation. "It's a difficult problem. We could just dump it
all into one giant Zip file, but we know for a fact that has limited
impact. To have impact, it needs to be easy for people to dive in
and search it and get something out of it."

As for the impact, Assange wants the world to think enron. "For this,"
Assange told Forbes, "there's only one similar example. It's like the
Enron e-mails."

The day of Assange's Forbes interview, Bank of America had its worst
day since May 2009

--Anything else you want to be educated about, frightie-rightie?
relic
2011-01-03 17:10:43 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
What's up wif dat, Kurt?
Glad you asked..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/bank-of-america-wikileaks_1_n_803503.html
<snip>
Post by Man_of_Mind
--Anything else you want to be educated about, frightie-rightie?
Can you cite any legitimate source?
Lich Nutz
2011-01-03 21:26:28 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
The day of Assange's Forbes interview, Bank of America had its worst
day since May 2009
--Anything else you want to be educated about, frightie-rightie?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40886609

BofA Settles Mortgage Claims for $3 Billion; Shares Jump

Bank of America said it agreed to pay Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac $2.8
billion to settle claims that it sold the mortgage finance companies bad
home loans.


Getty Images
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Bank of America [BAC 14.19 0.85 (+6.37%) ] shares climbed on the
news. Investors have been worried that the bank, like other large
mortgage lenders, will have to buy back billions of dollars of home
loans it sold to investors.

Mortgage bond investors say the home loans should never have been sold
to them in the first place because they did not meet investors'
underwriting requirements.

Bank of America said it made a $1.28 billion cash payment to Freddie Mac
as part of an agreement to end all claims through 2008 related to
mortgages sold by Countrywide, a mortgage company bought by the bank in
2008.

The bank paid Fannie Mae $1.34 billion in cash and applied certain
credits to reach an agreed $1.52 billion settlement on 12,045
Countrywide loans.

Bank of America said it would put aside $3 billion in the fourth quarter
related to the Fannie and Freddie claims and expects to record a
goodwill impairment charge of $2 billion in the quarter in its home
loans and insurance business unit.

The bank said it believes the settlement has resolved its remaining
exposure for home loans sold directly to Fannie and Freddie.

Fannie Mae said in a statement that the agreement with Bank of America
addresses about 44 percent of its $7.7 billion in outstanding repurchase
requests at the end of September.

The agreement with Bank of America is similar to but much larger than a
recent $462 million settlement between Ally Financial and Fannie Mae.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Man_of_Mind
2011-01-03 22:23:41 UTC
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Post by Lich Nutz
Post by Man_of_Mind
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
What's up wif dat, Kurt?
Glad you asked..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/bank-of-america-wikileaks_1_n_803503.html
"The Huffington Post 0 Lila Shapiro 01- 3-11 09:00 AM
"In a burst of wikipanic, Bank of America has dived into
full-on counterespionage mode.
In an interview from October 2009, WikiLeaks director Julian Assange
told Computer World that his organization was in possession of cache
of information taken from a 5GB hard drive of a Bank of America
executive. It apparently took until November of this year for the
news to sink in at BofA, where, according to the New York Times,
they have now launched a broad internal investigation, in an
attempt to discover the content and source of the alleged leak.
"If something happens, we want to be ready," one bank official
told the NYT. "You want to know what your options are before
it comes out, rather than have to decide on the spot."
15 to 20 bank officials, along with consulting firm Booz Allen
Hamilton, will be "scouring thousands of documents in the event
that they become public, reviewing every case where a computer
has gone missing and hunting for any sign that its systems might
have been compromised."
So far, the team hasn't found the source of the leak. As for the
content, the NYT reports that the counterespionage task force
is focussing closely on BofA's acquisition of Merrill Lynch,
which was investigated by the SEC in 2009 and 2010, along with
the bank's acquisition of the ailing mortgage giant Countrywide
Financial in 2008.
As Assange put it in a recent Forbes interview, his organization
latest link will detail the "the ecosystem of corruption" in corporate
America.
No word yet as to when this newest material will be leaked, but
according to the Computer World interview, the delay may be a matter
of presentation. "It's a difficult problem. We could just dump it
all into one giant Zip file, but we know for a fact that has limited
impact. To have impact, it needs to be easy for people to dive in
and search it and get something out of it."
As for the impact, Assange wants the world to think enron. "For this,"
Assange told Forbes, "there's only one similar example. It's like the
Enron e-mails."
The day of Assange's Forbes interview, Bank of America had its worst
day since May 2009
--Anything else you want to be educated about, frightie-rightie?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40886609
BofA Settles Mortgage Claims for $3 Billion; Shares Jump
Bank of America said it agreed to pay Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac $2.8
billion to settle claims that it sold the mortgage finance companies
bad home loans.
Looks like the intended effect was accomplished..

--And the winners are the American people!..
Lich Nutz
2011-01-04 01:48:14 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
Looks like the intended effect was accomplished..
I found a downloadable model of the Cassini space probe at the
Cassini web site at the Jet Propulsion Lab
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/model/) and Kurt agreed to construct
it. In addition, Kurt (and possibly Tim) will create flyers. Kurt will
try to construct balloon rockets.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Man_of_Mind
2011-01-04 02:10:47 UTC
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Post by Lich Nutz
Post by Man_of_Mind
Post by Lich Nutz
Post by Man_of_Mind
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
What's up wif dat, Kurt?
Glad you asked..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/bank-of-america-wikileaks_1_n_803503.html
"The Huffington Post 0 Lila Shapiro 01- 3-11 09:00 AM
"In a burst of wikipanic, Bank of America has dived into
full-on counterespionage mode.
In an interview from October 2009, WikiLeaks director Julian Assange
told Computer World that his organization was in possession of cache
of information taken from a 5GB hard drive of a Bank of America
executive. It apparently took until November of this year for the
news to sink in at BofA, where, according to the New York Times,
they have now launched a broad internal investigation, in an
attempt to discover the content and source of the alleged leak.
"If something happens, we want to be ready," one bank official
told the NYT. "You want to know what your options are before
it comes out, rather than have to decide on the spot."
15 to 20 bank officials, along with consulting firm Booz Allen
Hamilton, will be "scouring thousands of documents in the event
that they become public, reviewing every case where a computer
has gone missing and hunting for any sign that its systems might
have been compromised."
So far, the team hasn't found the source of the leak. As for the
content, the NYT reports that the counterespionage task force
is focussing closely on BofA's acquisition of Merrill Lynch,
which was investigated by the SEC in 2009 and 2010, along with
the bank's acquisition of the ailing mortgage giant Countrywide
Financial in 2008.
As Assange put it in a recent Forbes interview, his organization
latest link will detail the "the ecosystem of corruption" in corporate
America.
No word yet as to when this newest material will be leaked, but
according to the Computer World interview, the delay may be a matter
of presentation. "It's a difficult problem. We could just dump it
all into one giant Zip file, but we know for a fact that has limited
impact. To have impact, it needs to be easy for people to dive in
and search it and get something out of it."
As for the impact, Assange wants the world to think enron. "For this,"
Assange told Forbes, "there's only one similar example. It's like the
Enron e-mails."
The day of Assange's Forbes interview, Bank of America had its worst
day since May 2009
--Anything else you want to be educated about, frightie-rightie?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40886609
BofA Settles Mortgage Claims for $3 Billion; Shares Jump
Bank of America said it agreed to pay Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac $2.8
billion to settle claims that it sold the mortgage finance companies
bad home loans.
Looks like the intended effect was accomplished..
--And the winners are the American people!..
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
And that has what to do with wikileaks and Bank of America?

--Or did you feel the need to express what an imbecile you are again?
Lich Nutz
2011-01-04 02:38:05 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
--Or did you feel the need to express what an imbecile you are again?
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From: ***@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)

Subject: Statistics

Date: 11 Dec 90 17:44:56 GMT


Well, I'll be....my message did get out.
Post by Man_of_Mind
Lazar's Element 115 .....
.................................. 2 0.3%
Terrific,

and I re-worked all the batch files for some other

feeds too. Here's what I've been reading of late.


"Out There"-remarkable yet kinda hurried, which matters

little to me. I find that book to be pretty credible,

though non-commital. Yes, it answers the question that's

been in everybody's mind for some time, unanswered by

any kind of authority (plural). So, great...there IS

some kind of coverup, but what's being covered up?


As I've said earlier, the Air Force and any others

engaged in the subject have not generated a single

reason or explanation to satisfy themselves to declassify

anything of importance. Perhaps the outer "arms" of

this galaxy, the Orion Arm being our district, are a

little more crowded than even Drake's Equation permits?


"Above Top Secret" hehehe, I can't keep from skipping

ahead to see some of the more recent sightings. Again,

we have the texts of MJ-12 and several plates of some

pleasent faces, and some of the international sightings

are really well done. It's not easy reading but it's

interesting to find parts about the nuts/bolts.


And that's what I really wrote to you about..


I've been making noises about the propulsion scenarios

involved with these sighting. Letting the sightings display

the overall characteristics of such a machine saves alot of

guesswork. The international sightings pointed it out,

at least to me, when one guy said that it sounded kinda like

a refrigerator taking off.


Later in the book, a guy that was present at some questionable crash
recovery

sight later on told his

daughter that the craft operate on water, and that it might

threaten the oil industry. To support this conjecture,

I believe that if I was pressed to do, I could find a significant number of

sightings around water, and I recall some from earlier publications of

observing hoses in the

water. If you think that boiling water under pressure

does marvelous energy transfers, try thinking about water

in a partial vacumn...or ammonia, or even methane.


So, in closing, I can see that my previous posting was

pretty useless, I'll try not to waste bandwidth again until

I've caught up my reading, but I thought that I might be able to add some

useful conjecture as to what kind of

"cover-up" might be occurring.

Thanks for the stats,

that was real big help.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Lich Nutz
2011-01-03 21:27:29 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
-Anything else you want to be educated about, frightie-rightie?
===========================================================
Oklahoma Space Alliance News
by Syd Henderson


The December Meeting of Oklahoma Space Alliance will actually be
our annual potluck Christmas Party, December 20 at Tom Koszoru's House
in Norman. The meeting will be at 3:00 p.m., with dinner following
sometime around 4:00 p.m. Prospective members are also welcome.
Tom's house is at 514 Fenwick Court in Norman. Take the Main
Street west exit off I- 35, proceed west past the Sooner Fashion Mall,
and turn right at 36th Street, and go north until you turn right on
Rambling Oaks (about half a mile north of Main Street). Fenwick Court is
the fourth or fifth street on the left. Tom's house is the last on the
left side. (Alternatively take the Robinson Street west exit, turn
south on 36th, left on Rambling Oaks and left on Fenwick Court. I think
there may still be some construction on this route.)
In addition to being a Christmas party, this is the meeting at
which we nominate our officers.
You should be receiving a copy of UPDATE the week before the
meeting with an agenda.


Minutes of October Meeting
Oklahoma Space Alliance met on Saturday, October 18, at the Air
Space Museum at the Kirkpatrick Center in Oklahoma City. Attending were
John Northcutt, Kurt Lochner-Harrington, Claire Stephens and Syd
Henderson. Unfortunately the October UPDATE didn't get out in time for
the meeting, and several of the postcards I mailed out did not arrive in
time, so not everyone got informed in time for the meeting
This meeting was a planning meeting for our party at SoonerCon
12. Syd volunteered (argh) to send for extra copies of the most recent
Ad Astra with the 3-D Mars panorama [sent for but not yet arrived as of
November 16], and to publish a special edition of OUTREACH and prepare
other literature and printouts.
Syd and Claire will also take care of the food (so far, mostly
chips, soda, and candy), although other contributions are welcome. We
will also bring petitions, and bumper stickers and other freebies.
Claire will bring the gravity funnel for the kitty,
I found a downloadable model of the Cassini space probe at the
Cassini web site at the Jet Propulsion Lab
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/model/) and Kurt agreed to construct
it. In addition, Kurt (and possibly Tim) will create flyers. Kurt will
try to construct balloon rockets.
We will also provide paper, crayons, colored pencils, etc., and
invite visitors to design a space colony.
Any attractive pictures we can display around the room are also
welcome.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Man_of_Mind
2011-01-03 22:24:58 UTC
Permalink
I like the way you dance when I post..

--That double posting knee-jerk especially..
Lich Nutz
2011-01-04 01:48:00 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
--That double posting knee-jerk especially..
I found a downloadable model of the Cassini space probe at the
Cassini web site at the Jet Propulsion Lab
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/model/) and Kurt agreed to construct
it. In addition, Kurt (and possibly Tim) will create flyers. Kurt will
try to construct balloon rockets.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Man_of_Mind
2011-01-04 02:11:48 UTC
Permalink
I like the way you dance when I post..

--That double posting knee-jerk especially..
Lich Nutz
2011-01-04 02:38:18 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
--That double posting knee-jerk especially..
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From: ***@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)

Subject: Statistics

Date: 11 Dec 90 17:44:56 GMT


Well, I'll be....my message did get out.
Post by Man_of_Mind
Lazar's Element 115 .....
.................................. 2 0.3%
Terrific,

and I re-worked all the batch files for some other

feeds too. Here's what I've been reading of late.


"Out There"-remarkable yet kinda hurried, which matters

little to me. I find that book to be pretty credible,

though non-commital. Yes, it answers the question that's

been in everybody's mind for some time, unanswered by

any kind of authority (plural). So, great...there IS

some kind of coverup, but what's being covered up?


As I've said earlier, the Air Force and any others

engaged in the subject have not generated a single

reason or explanation to satisfy themselves to declassify

anything of importance. Perhaps the outer "arms" of

this galaxy, the Orion Arm being our district, are a

little more crowded than even Drake's Equation permits?


"Above Top Secret" hehehe, I can't keep from skipping

ahead to see some of the more recent sightings. Again,

we have the texts of MJ-12 and several plates of some

pleasent faces, and some of the international sightings

are really well done. It's not easy reading but it's

interesting to find parts about the nuts/bolts.


And that's what I really wrote to you about..


I've been making noises about the propulsion scenarios

involved with these sighting. Letting the sightings display

the overall characteristics of such a machine saves alot of

guesswork. The international sightings pointed it out,

at least to me, when one guy said that it sounded kinda like

a refrigerator taking off.


Later in the book, a guy that was present at some questionable crash
recovery

sight later on told his

daughter that the craft operate on water, and that it might

threaten the oil industry. To support this conjecture,

I believe that if I was pressed to do, I could find a significant number of

sightings around water, and I recall some from earlier publications of

observing hoses in the

water. If you think that boiling water under pressure

does marvelous energy transfers, try thinking about water

in a partial vacumn...or ammonia, or even methane.


So, in closing, I can see that my previous posting was

pretty useless, I'll try not to waste bandwidth again until

I've caught up my reading, but I thought that I might be able to add some

useful conjecture as to what kind of

"cover-up" might be occurring.

Thanks for the stats,

that was real big help.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Knifefight Afterdance
2011-01-03 23:56:20 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
What's up wif dat, Kurt?
Glad you asked..
S P A C E V I E W S
Volume Year 1997, Issue 12
December 1997
"Minutes of October Meeting: Oklahoma Space Alliance met on Saturday,
October 18, at the Air Space Museum at the Kirkpatrick Center in
Oklahoma City. Attending were
John Northcutt, Kurt Lochner-Harrington..."
ftp://ftp.seds.org/pub/info/newsletters/spaceviews/text/spaceviews.97...
Man_of_Mind
2011-01-04 01:29:44 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Man_of_Mind
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
What's up wif dat, Kurt?
Glad you asked..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/bank-of-america-wikileaks_1_n_803503.html
"The Huffington Post 0 Lila Shapiro 01- 3-11 09:00 AM
"In a burst of wikipanic, Bank of America has dived into
full-on counterespionage mode.
In an interview from October 2009, WikiLeaks director Julian Assange
told Computer World that his organization was in possession of cache
of information taken from a 5GB hard drive of a Bank of America
executive. It apparently took until November of this year for the
news to sink in at BofA, where, according to the New York Times,
they have now launched a broad internal investigation, in an
attempt to discover the content and source of the alleged leak.
"If something happens, we want to be ready," one bank official
told the NYT. "You want to know what your options are before
it comes out, rather than have to decide on the spot."
15 to 20 bank officials, along with consulting firm Booz Allen
Hamilton, will be "scouring thousands of documents in the event
that they become public, reviewing every case where a computer
has gone missing and hunting for any sign that its systems might
have been compromised."
So far, the team hasn't found the source of the leak. As for the
content, the NYT reports that the counterespionage task force
is focussing closely on BofA's acquisition of Merrill Lynch,
which was investigated by the SEC in 2009 and 2010, along with
the bank's acquisition of the ailing mortgage giant Countrywide
Financial in 2008.
As Assange put it in a recent Forbes interview, his organization
latest link will detail the "the ecosystem of corruption" in corporate
America.
No word yet as to when this newest material will be leaked, but
according to the Computer World interview, the delay may be a matter
of presentation. "It's a difficult problem. We could just dump it
all into one giant Zip file, but we know for a fact that has limited
impact. To have impact, it needs to be easy for people to dive in
and search it and get something out of it."
As for the impact, Assange wants the world to think enron. "For this,"
Assange told Forbes, "there's only one similar example. It's like the
Enron e-mails."
The day of Assange's Forbes interview, Bank of America had its worst
day since May 2009
--Anything else you want to be educated about, frightie-rightie?
Volume Year 1997, Issue 12
Wow, I didn't know you were so jealous of my involvement in the
Oklahoma Space Alliance. Maybe you should join an astronomy club
or something a little more stimulating intellectually than just
ranting like a frustrated right-wing moron..

--The more you try to embarrass me, the worse you make your self look..
Lich Nutz
2011-01-04 01:46:56 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
--The more you try to embarrass me, the worse you make your self look..
I found a downloadable model of the Cassini space probe at the
Cassini web site at the Jet Propulsion Lab
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/model/) and Kurt agreed to construct
it. In addition, Kurt (and possibly Tim) will create flyers. Kurt will
try to construct balloon rockets.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Man_of_Mind
2011-01-04 02:01:44 UTC
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Post by Lich Nutz
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
Yeah, that figures..

--Way to go, Clay-doh..
Lich Nutz
2011-01-04 02:13:27 UTC
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Post by Man_of_Mind
Yeah, that figures..
--Way to go, Clay-doh..
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From: ***@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)

Subject: Statistics

Date: 11 Dec 90 17:44:56 GMT


Well, I'll be....my message did get out.
Post by Man_of_Mind
Lazar's Element 115 .....
.................................. 2 0.3%
Terrific,

and I re-worked all the batch files for some other

feeds too. Here's what I've been reading of late.


"Out There"-remarkable yet kinda hurried, which matters

little to me. I find that book to be pretty credible,

though non-commital. Yes, it answers the question that's

been in everybody's mind for some time, unanswered by

any kind of authority (plural). So, great...there IS

some kind of coverup, but what's being covered up?


As I've said earlier, the Air Force and any others

engaged in the subject have not generated a single

reason or explanation to satisfy themselves to declassify

anything of importance. Perhaps the outer "arms" of

this galaxy, the Orion Arm being our district, are a

little more crowded than even Drake's Equation permits?


"Above Top Secret" hehehe, I can't keep from skipping

ahead to see some of the more recent sightings. Again,

we have the texts of MJ-12 and several plates of some

pleasent faces, and some of the international sightings

are really well done. It's not easy reading but it's

interesting to find parts about the nuts/bolts.


And that's what I really wrote to you about..


I've been making noises about the propulsion scenarios

involved with these sighting. Letting the sightings display

the overall characteristics of such a machine saves alot of

guesswork. The international sightings pointed it out,

at least to me, when one guy said that it sounded kinda like

a refrigerator taking off.


Later in the book, a guy that was present at some questionable crash
recovery

sight later on told his

daughter that the craft operate on water, and that it might

threaten the oil industry. To support this conjecture,

I believe that if I was pressed to do, I could find a significant number of

sightings around water, and I recall some from earlier publications of

observing hoses in the

water. If you think that boiling water under pressure

does marvelous energy transfers, try thinking about water

in a partial vacumn...or ammonia, or even methane.


So, in closing, I can see that my previous posting was

pretty useless, I'll try not to waste bandwidth again until

I've caught up my reading, but I thought that I might be able to add some

useful conjecture as to what kind of

"cover-up" might be occurring.

Thanks for the stats,

that was real big help.
--
I like to play with rockets and balloons and do Playdo terraforming.
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