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@David Paulin: Why Is Obama Redefining "Poverty"?
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Knifefight Afterdance
2011-07-20 17:25:22 UTC
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July 20, 2011

What does it mean to be poor in America today? For typical "poor"
households -- as defined by the government -- it means cable
television, two color television sets, and two or more cars.

As for housing, it means living in air-conditioned comfort -- in decent
accommodations with even more space than "average" Europeans have.
(Not poor Europeans, to be sure, but "average" Europeans.) Moreover,
most "poor" Americans get the medical care they need, and they eat
enough -- in fact, they eat too much.

In short, the lifestyles of most "poor" Americans are vastly at odds
with dire government statistics about poverty in America -- statistics
that invariably send liberals and media pundits into hand-wringing fits
and moralistic outrage. Now comes an antidote to this absurdity -- a
report released on Monday by the Heritage Foundation that is
appropriately titled: "Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is
Poverty in the United States Today?"

According to the Census Bureau, more than 30 million Americans (one in
seven) live in "poverty." Yet the Heritage Foundation's report
underscores that being poor in America today actually has little to do
with what most Americans regard as deprivation.

Even so, the Obama administration is nevertheless poised to expand
these absurdities -- making the definition of poverty even more
divorced from reality than it already is, according to the Heritage
Foundation's Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield. Ultimately, they
point out that the president will further sever the connection between
poverty and "deprivation" -- by reclassifying poverty as being all
about "inequality." As they explain:

Under the new measure, a family will be judged poor if its income falls
below certain specified income thresholds or standards. There is
nothing new in this, but unlike the current poverty income standards,
the new income thresholds will have a built-in escalator clause. They
will rise automatically in direct proportion to any rise in the living
standards of the average American.

The current poverty measure counts (albeit inaccurately) absolute
purchasing power (how much meat and potatoes a person can buy). The new
measure will count comparative purchasing power (how much meat and
potatoes a person can buy relative to other people). As the nation
becomes wealthier, the poverty standards will increase in proportion.
In other words, Obama will employ a statistical trick to give a new
meaning to the saying that "the poor will always be with you."

The new poverty measure will produce very odd results. For example, if
the real income of every single American were to triple magically
overnight, the new poverty measure would show no drop in poverty
because the poverty income standards would also triple. Under the
Obama system, poverty can be reduced only if the incomes of the "poor"
are rising faster than the incomes of everyone else. Another paradox
of the new poverty measure is that countries such as Bangladesh and
Albania will have lower poverty rates than the U.S.'s -- even though
the actual living conditions in those countries are extremely low --
simply because they have narrower distribution of incomes, albeit very
low incomes.

Ultimately, "[t]he new measure is a public relations Trojan Horse,
smuggling in a 'spread-the-wealth' agenda under the ruse of fighting
significant material deprivation -- a condition that is already rare in
American society," they point out.

Most troubling, they point out that "grossly exaggerating the extent
and severity of material deprivation in the U.S. will benefit neither
the poor, the economy, nor society as a whole."

Of course, the Heritage Foundation's report is hardly news to many
middle- and upper-middle-class Americans who have ever stood in line at
the grocery store -- right behind a shopper using a food-stamp card to
buy bottled water, junk food, and soft drinks -- a shopper who then
loaded up an SUV with a basket full of groceries. Recently, an article
in the Wall Street Journal seemed intended to cast sympathy on
food-stamp recipients at a Walmart. But it inadvertently did the
opposite -- suggesting some food-stamp recipients do not seem all that
needy.

If you want to see real poverty, don't go to Walmart. You should visit
one of the shantytown slums surrounding Latin America's major cities.
And while you're at it, visit a solidly middle-class neighborhood. By
American standards, those neighborhoods would be poor -- and yet they
are neat and orderly. Their residents are thrifty, hardworking, and
well-mannered -- and they're determined to give their kids a good
education. In those neighborhoods, people don't park their cars on
their front lawns and young men don't walk around with pit bulls.
There are no gangs or drug-dealing.

Liberals are loath to admit it, but poverty is not about income
"inequality." More often than not, it's about culture and values --
and that's especially the case with poverty that's handed down from one
generation to the next in the same families. That said, American is
unique in another way in respect to its "poverty."

It's the only country in the world where poor people are fat -- another
absurdity that liberals are loath to acknowledge.
Knifefight Afterdance
2011-07-20 19:45:21 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
July 20, 2011
What does it mean to be poor in America today?  For typical "poor"
households -- as defined by the government -- it means cable
television, two color television sets, and two or more cars.
As for housing, it means living in air-conditioned comfort -- in
decent accommodations with even more space than "average" Europeans
have. (Not poor Europeans, to be sure, but  "average" Europeans.)
 Moreover, most "poor" Americans get the medical care they need,
and they eat enough -- in fact, they eat too much.
In short, the lifestyles of most "poor" Americans are vastly at odds
with dire government statistics about poverty in America --
statistics that invariably send liberals and media pundits into
hand-wringing fits and moralistic outrage.  Now comes an antidote
to this absurdity -- a report released on Monday by the Heritage
Foundation that is appropriately titled: "Air Conditioning, Cable
TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?"
According to the Census Bureau, more than 30 million Americans (one
in seven) live in "poverty."  Yet the Heritage Foundation's report
underscores that being poor in America today actually has little to
do with what most Americans regard as deprivation.
Even so, the Obama administration is nevertheless poised to expand
these absurdities -- making the definition of poverty even more
divorced from reality than it already is, according to the Heritage
Foundation's Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield.  Ultimately, they
point out that the president will further sever the connection
between poverty and "deprivation" -- by reclassifying poverty as
Under the new measure, a family will be judged poor if its income
falls below certain specified income thresholds or standards. There
is nothing new in this, but unlike the current poverty income
standards, the new income thresholds will have a built-in escalator
clause. They will rise automatically in direct proportion to any
rise in the living standards of the average American.
The current poverty measure counts (albeit inaccurately) absolute
purchasing power (how much meat and potatoes a person can buy). The
new measure will count comparative purchasing power (how much meat
and potatoes a person can buy relative to other people). As the
nation becomes wealthier, the poverty standards will increase in
proportion. In other words, Obama will employ a statistical trick
to give a new meaning to the saying that "the poor will always be
with you."
The new poverty measure will produce very odd results.  For
example, if the real income of every single American were to triple
magically overnight, the new poverty measure would show no drop in
poverty because the poverty income standards would also triple.
 Under the Obama system, poverty can be reduced only if the incomes
of the "poor" are rising faster than the incomes of everyone else.
 Another paradox of the new poverty measure is that countries such
as Bangladesh and Albania will have lower poverty rates than the
U.S.'s -- even though the actual living conditions in those
countries are extremely low -- simply because they have narrower
distribution of incomes, albeit very low incomes.
Ultimately, "[t]he new measure is a public relations Trojan Horse,
smuggling in a 'spread-the-wealth' agenda under the ruse of fighting
significant material deprivation -- a condition that is already
rare in American society," they point out.
Most troubling, they point out that "grossly exaggerating the extent
and severity of material deprivation in the U.S. will benefit
neither the poor, the economy, nor society as a whole."
Of course, the Heritage Foundation's report is hardly news to many
middle- and upper-middle-class Americans who have ever stood in
line at the grocery store -- right behind a shopper using a
food-stamp card to buy bottled water, junk food, and soft drinks --
a shopper who then loaded up an SUV with a basket full of
groceries.  Recently, an article in the Wall Street Journal seemed
intended to cast sympathy on food-stamp recipients at a Walmart.
 But it inadvertently did the opposite -- suggesting some
food-stamp recipients do not seem all that needy.
If you want to see real poverty, don't go to Walmart.  You should
visit one of the shantytown slums surrounding Latin America's major
cities. And while you're at it, visit a solidly middle-class
neighborhood.  By American standards, those neighborhoods would be
poor -- and yet they are neat and orderly.  Their residents are
thrifty, hardworking, and well-mannered -- and they're determined
to give their kids a good education.  In those neighborhoods,
people don't park their cars on their front lawns and young men
don't walk around with pit bulls. There are no gangs or
drug-dealing.
Liberals are loath to admit it, but poverty is not about income
"inequality."  More often than not, it's about culture and values --
and that's especially the case with poverty that's handed down from
one generation to the next in the same families.  That said,
American is unique in another way in respect to its "poverty."
It's the only country in the world where poor people are fat --
another absurdity that liberals are loath to acknowledge.
Yet another vague, unsourced rant from a corporate "think" tank that
likes to masquerade as a credible source of information instead of a
snake oil factory, that is when it isn't sucking down other people's
money.
You do realize you just described "The Center for American Progress"
which is the "think tank" that erstwhile "liberal genius" [Barry Obama]
runs to in order to get his daily talking points, don't you?
The Heritage Foundation does nothing, builds nothing, creates
nothing, makes nothing anyone actually needs and requires around the
clock infusions of corporate money in order to maintain the illusion
of value.
And you do realize that you just described "ThinkProgress", "The daily
Kos", "The Huffington Post" & msnbc [tv & Internet], don't you?

You're batting one thousand with this "rant", Chris.
"Oh, we can't ever raise taxes on corporations because that
would raise the cost of what they produce." What does it cost
consumers to maintain a vast network of overpaid, underworked
blathermonkeys at these think tanks who sit around all day thinking up
cool new ways to spin massive, growing poverty into "middle class
prosperity?" What are consumers paying to maintain an army of silk
suit wearing corporate assholes who show up on TV with their little
colored 3X5 cards every fucking night in order to tell us that the
bottom 95% are still overpaid and the top 5% are still taxed too much?
Because at the end of the day, that's really all they ever say. And we
*are* paying for it all.
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