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Knifefight Afterdance
2010-12-04 14:10:55 UTC
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Travel News: Spain declares State of Alert after wildcat strikes

The Spanish government has declared a State of Alert following a
walkout by air traffic controllers, which has left at least 20,000
stranded.

December 4, 2010

Hundreds of thousands of passengers were left stranded by the walkout,
which came during one of Spain's busiest weekends for travel.

The Spanish government was holding crisis talks to try and force the
air traffic controllers back to work, and police were gathering at the
control centres in case the government decided to arrest the
controllers.

"If the situation doesn't normalise, the government will declare a
state of emergency," said Alfredo Rubalcaba, deputy prime minister,
ahead of a hastily assembled cabinet meeting in Madrid.

"The controllers will be mobilised and if they don't get back to work,
their cases will be passed immediately to the judiciary and they will
be accused of a crime which could mean a prison sentence."
Madrid airport announced that it would be shut until at least 6am on
Sunday, and police were restricting access to the terminals.
One Spanish air traffic controller told The Daily Telegraph that the
talks were likely to continue all day - meaning airports could well be
closed for much of the afternoon.

Iberia and several other airlines in Spain said they will not be
offering any services until Sunday morning.
But it was reported that some flights were leaving the Canary Islands
airports on Tenerife and Gran Canaria, where some controllers had
reported to work and signed on. Palma, in Majorca, is not planing to
reopen to flights until 8am on Sunday morning.
Air routes between Spain and the UK are the busiest in Europe, carrying
over 35m passengers per year, and thousands of Britons have been hit by
the closure of Spanish air space.

Ryanair alone has cancelled 74 flights with Spain scheduled for Friday
and Saturday.
At 9.30pm on Friday an emergency Royal Decree was signed ordering the
Ministry of Defence to take control of Spain’s air space. The military
have moved into all control centres and control towers in Spain.

But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them and
there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take over.
The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual salaries
of up to one million euros, have been in dispute with the socialist
government for a year over plans, ratified this week, to partly
privatise the Spanish state airports authority, AENA.

It is the first time a State of Alert has been declared under the 1978
Constitution, ironically celebrated with a public holiday this Monday.
An estimated two million passengers were due to travel by air this
holiday weekend in Spain.

The Spanish military have moved into 47 control towers, four major air
traffic control centres and all airports.
There were immediate plans to open smaller military-civilian airports
to passenger flights. Barcelona airport partially reopened at 10pm on
Friday but only 15 flights took off.
David Hartung
2010-12-04 14:26:16 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Travel News: Spain declares State of Alert after wildcat strikes
The Spanish government has declared a State of Alert following a
walkout by air traffic controllers, which has left at least 20,000
stranded.
December 4, 2010
Hundreds of thousands of passengers were left stranded by the walkout,
which came during one of Spain's busiest weekends for travel.
The Spanish government was holding crisis talks to try and force the
air traffic controllers back to work, and police were gathering at the
control centres in case the government decided to arrest the
controllers.
"If the situation doesn't normalise, the government will declare a
state of emergency," said Alfredo Rubalcaba, deputy prime minister,
ahead of a hastily assembled cabinet meeting in Madrid.
"The controllers will be mobilised and if they don't get back to work,
their cases will be passed immediately to the judiciary and they will
be accused of a crime which could mean a prison sentence."
Madrid airport announced that it would be shut until at least 6am on
Sunday, and police were restricting access to the terminals.
One Spanish air traffic controller told The Daily Telegraph that the
talks were likely to continue all day - meaning airports could well be
closed for much of the afternoon.
A jail sentence for not showing up for work? This is good?
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Iberia and several other airlines in Spain said they will not be
offering any services until Sunday morning.
But it was reported that some flights were leaving the Canary Islands
airports on Tenerife and Gran Canaria, where some controllers had
reported to work and signed on. Palma, in Majorca, is not planing to
reopen to flights until 8am on Sunday morning.
Air routes between Spain and the UK are the busiest in Europe, carrying
over 35m passengers per year, and thousands of Britons have been hit by
the closure of Spanish air space.
Ryanair alone has cancelled 74 flights with Spain scheduled for Friday
and Saturday.
At 9.30pm on Friday an emergency Royal Decree was signed ordering the
Ministry of Defence to take control of Spain’s air space. The military
have moved into all control centres and control towers in Spain.
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them and
there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take over.
The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual salaries
of up to one million euros, have been in dispute with the socialist
government for a year over plans, ratified this week, to partly
privatise the Spanish state airports authority, AENA.
Interesting.
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
It is the first time a State of Alert has been declared under the 1978
Constitution, ironically celebrated with a public holiday this Monday.
An estimated two million passengers were due to travel by air this
holiday weekend in Spain.
The Spanish military have moved into 47 control towers, four major air
traffic control centres and all airports.
There were immediate plans to open smaller military-civilian airports
to passenger flights. Barcelona airport partially reopened at 10pm on
Friday but only 15 flights took off.
Thanatos
2010-12-04 16:29:14 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
The Spanish government was holding crisis talks to try and force the
air traffic controllers back to work, and police were gathering at the
control centres in case the government decided to arrest the
controllers.
If they've walked out, why would they be at the control centers?
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them and
there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take over.
The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual salaries
of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about how
terrible their jobs are?
Knifefight Afterdance
2010-12-04 22:39:44 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
The Spanish government was holding crisis talks to try and force the
air traffic controllers back to work, and police were gathering at
the control centres in case the government decided to arrest the
controllers.
If they've walked out, why would they be at the control centers?
Some walked out, others did not. DUH.
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.

Also... this is the "European Thought (or lack thereof) Process" --
coming soon to a city or town near us.

Another bad effect of making Barack Obama president.
Thanatos
2010-12-05 02:16:40 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
The Spanish government was holding crisis talks to try and force the
air traffic controllers back to work, and police were gathering at
the control centres in case the government decided to arrest the
controllers.
If they've walked out, why would they be at the control centers?
Some walked out, others did not. DUH.
But the ones who are still there working aren't the ones who will be
arrested for not working if the order is given.

DUH.
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
No, a million euros is currently *more* than a million smackers.
$1,338,200.82 to be precise.
David Hartung
2010-12-05 02:20:07 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
The Spanish government was holding crisis talks to try and force the
air traffic controllers back to work, and police were gathering at
the control centres in case the government decided to arrest the
controllers.
If they've walked out, why would they be at the control centers?
Some walked out, others did not. DUH.
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 02:27:37 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.

The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.

..
relic
2010-12-05 02:54:42 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by working
overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
$267,000+ or £170,000+. How do they manage?
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2010-12-05 03:05:44 UTC
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Post by relic
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
$267,000+ or £170,000+. How do they manage?
Aren't you one of the ones whining and beating your breast over
billionaires in America having to face a 3% tax increase?
Dano
2010-12-05 04:35:39 UTC
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Post by relic
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
$267,000+ or £170,000+. How do they manage?
Aren't you one of the ones whining and beating your breast over
billionaires in America having to face a 3% tax increase?
Not for nothing, but is anyone aware of the income tax rate in Spain? In
this bracket I believe it approaches 45-50% or so. Just sayin'...
Thanatos
2010-12-05 16:48:31 UTC
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Post by relic
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by working
overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
$267,000+ or £170,000+. How do they manage?
Don't forget the six week government-mandated vacations every year.
trotsky
2010-12-06 12:24:08 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by relic
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by working
overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
$267,000+ or £170,000+. How do they manage?
Don't forget the six week government-mandated vacations every year.
Sounds like you're not happy being a mall cop, Thanny.
David Hartung
2010-12-05 03:04:49 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 13:13:53 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.

When are you people going to make up your minds???

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Or the climate will do it for us
First Post
2010-12-05 13:43:27 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 13:51:51 UTC
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Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in tax cuts only for "poor people."

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#

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Or the climate will do it for us
First Post
2010-12-05 14:12:49 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
..
You have a warped sense of reality. Nowhere did the poster claim what
you stated. Their statement concerning why the tax cuts should be
extended for everyone was:

"* Unemployment will come down
* Employment will go up
* Lower taxes for EVERYONE
* LOWER SPENDING (get it yet, Democrats?)
* More HIRING will occur
* STRONGER military PREVAILS
* U.S. Debt will go DOWN
* More U.S. companies will be willing to HIRE people
* People will be PROUD to call themselves AMERICAN again"

The argument has never been about how much someone needs to live
comfortably or any other nonsense about any "poor rich people".
The fact that continues to go right past every one of you progressive
nuts is if you tax the hell out of my employer and his company then
I'll likely never see another pay raise nor will the company ever
expand and create more jobs.

IF:

You cry about "profiterring corporations", but still demand your
weekly paycheck.

You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.

You think that poverty is caused by the wealthy

You think a lawyer taking 33% from a settlement for his services is
fair, but the Government taking 33% of your paycheck for taxes is "too
low"

You think more taxes are an ecomomic cure-all

You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry

You believe that we can "spend our way" out of the deficit

.The government should tax every last bit of your paycheck.

Then you're a typical liberal.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 14:55:13 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
..
You have a warped sense of reality. Nowhere did the poster claim what
you stated.
Read to the end of the thread.

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Chazz
2010-12-05 15:39:17 UTC
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:43:53 -0330, cloud
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
..
You have a warped sense of reality. Nowhere did the poster claim what
you stated. Their statement concerning why the tax cuts should be
"* Unemployment will come down
* Employment will go up
* Lower taxes for EVERYONE
* LOWER SPENDING (get it yet, Democrats?)
* More HIRING will occur
* STRONGER military PREVAILS
* U.S. Debt will go DOWN
* More U.S. companies will be willing to HIRE people
* People will be PROUD to call themselves AMERICAN again"
The argument has never been about how much someone needs to live
comfortably or any other nonsense about any "poor rich people".
The fact that continues to go right past every one of you progressive
nuts is if you tax the hell out of my employer and his company then
I'll likely never see another pay raise nor will the company ever
expand and create more jobs.
Fact?

Who said anything about taxing the hell out of your employer and his
company? Hyperbole personified. And don't leave tax loopholes, cash
transactions...creative accounting measures out of the equation. No.
The Henny Pennys aren't in danger of losing thousands of dollars...and
you can bet your bottom one on that.

Tax cuts miraculously work, do they...to help create and preserve jobs
and ensure raises? Summarily disproven by the last 10 years of the
trillions in Bush tax cuts...the fact that continues to go right past
every one of you regressive nuts...? And no. Things won't get worse if
they're not extended. For reasons most with even a modest knowledge of
economics realize.

Turn off FauxSnooze occasionally and stop buying into the tired,
old...demonstrably false mantra.

The belief that the wealthiest...or wealthier...use tax savings to
re-invest in the economy...or hire more people and pay them handsomely
is a pipe-dream, and one has to wonder what the believers are smoking.

Republicans do the Rumpelstiltsken, proclaiming the deficit must be paid
down. And yet, have no problem trying to sell the hell out of a myth,
and talking up tax cuts that would increase the deficit by almost a
trillion dollars over the next 10 years.

Is that what conservatives want for America?
5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
2010-12-05 16:48:13 UTC
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But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under
them and there are not sufficient military controllers to
safely take over. The controllers, who are the best paid in
Europe with annual salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone
in the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on
comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact? Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/
browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
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Post by cloud dreamer
..
You have a warped sense of reality. Nowhere did the poster claim what
you stated. Their statement concerning why the tax cuts should be
"* Unemployment will come down
* Employment will go up
* Lower taxes for EVERYONE
* LOWER SPENDING (get it yet, Democrats?) * More HIRING will occur
* STRONGER military PREVAILS
* U.S. Debt will go DOWN
* More U.S. companies will be willing to HIRE people * People will be
PROUD to call themselves AMERICAN again"
The argument has never been about how much someone needs to live
comfortably or any other nonsense about any "poor rich people". The fact
that continues to go right past every one of you progressive nuts is if
you tax the hell out of my employer and his company then I'll likely
never see another pay raise nor will the company ever expand and create
more jobs.
You cry about "profiterring corporations", but still demand your weekly
paycheck.
That weekly paycheck hasn't shown any real growth in 30 years.
Meanwhile, corporate profits increased 500%.
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Post by First Post
You think that poverty is caused by the wealthy
Yup. There's no excuse for poverty in "the richest country in the world".
Post by First Post
You think a lawyer taking 33% from a settlement for his services is
fair, but the Government taking 33% of your paycheck for taxes is "too
low"
Says who, exactly? You?
Post by First Post
You think more taxes are an ecomomic cure-all
No, I think fairness is.
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
Post by First Post
You believe that we can "spend our way" out of the deficit
.The government should tax every last bit of your paycheck.
Then you're a typical liberal.
Thanatos
2010-12-05 17:50:45 UTC
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You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?

Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
First Post
2010-12-05 18:27:44 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 18:35:00 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.

..
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us
chrisv
2010-12-05 18:39:36 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 18:46:10 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
You need to read headers. I didn't present it.

But I understood it.

Unlike the other two.

And you, obviously.

..
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We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us
5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
2010-12-05 18:56:06 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
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Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and
ripping people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make
a half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this
year or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
HOW does one "earn" half a billion dollars, bubbles?
Thanatos
2010-12-05 20:56:13 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and
ripping people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make
a half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this
year or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
HOW does one "earn" half a billion dollars, bubbles?
Who are you to decide how much of a person's property they're entitled
to and how much they aren't, trixie?
trotsky
2010-12-06 12:40:46 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and
ripping people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make
a half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this
year or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
HOW does one "earn" half a billion dollars, bubbles?
Who are you to decide how much of a person's property they're entitled
to and how much they aren't, trixie?
Hm, I thought they were talking about determining a tax rate. Would you
prefer a flat tax, Paul Blart? LOL!
Steve
2010-12-06 00:33:47 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and
ripping people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make
a half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this
year or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
HOW does one "earn" half a billion dollars, bubbles?
Zepp will never even know how to earn $50K
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
Chazz
2010-12-06 16:03:47 UTC
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Post by Steve
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:56:06 -0600, "5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and
ripping people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but
hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make
a half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this
year or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
How about the government? With the government's help? Topfeeders?
Enjoying loopholes?
Post by Steve
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
HOW does one "earn" half a billion dollars, bubbles?
Zepp will never even know how to earn $50K
--
the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
As opposed to the "top feeders", from whom virtually nothing ever
trickles down, as is the ruse constantly used to justify "tax cuts for
the wealthy"? And by the way, they already do enjoy tax cuts, via
something called "loopholes". The claim that they pay the most taxes is
delusional. They may be *assessed" at higher rates...but they certainly
don't pay their fair share, so to speak.

And yes. They do "reinvest". Almost 100% of the time in themselves.
No real problem with that. Not anyone's business. But please, let's
not anyone delude themselves into believing they're the "job creators".
Ten years of the trillions in Bush tax cuts have proven otherwise.

The main reason states are in as much trouble as they are...including
potentially defaulting on pension commitments (New Jersey, California,
Illinois and ...is because Federal funds were necessarily, if not
incredibly unwisely, diverted...in order to fund those trillions. Enter
property tax hikes, cutbacks in first responder services...and dwindling
to completely disappearing funds for public services....

And...the beginnings of a recession. *Not* caused by a Congress
controlled by the Democrats the last 2 years of Bush's so-called
presidency. His Vice President has repeatedly stated that "deficits
don't matter". As did the "all that" president who wasn't, RR. In any
event, Bush didn't exercise one spending veto the first 6 years.
Suddenly, he found it in the last 2 years....after irreparable damage
had been done.

You've made the mindless mistake of categorizing the class of people
upon whom the entire U.S. economy runs and is based...as lazy and
irresponsible. "Power hungry community organizers" is too doltish a
remark to warrant further comment. Another FauxSnooze talking points
parrot.

A quote by Balzac (though possibly inaccurately attributed): "Behind
every great fortune lies a great crime"...no more applies to *everyone*
who's managed to amass one (though it applies in high numbers)...than
your ill-advised comments apply to the majority of those looking merely
to survive; e.g., food, shelter & clothing.

Outsourcing is another benefit of which corporations have increasingly
availed themselves. Why employ Americans, when they can cash in on
$1.00 an hour workers?

And don't blame unions. True, they over-reached in some instances...but
without them, the plight of the American worker would have remained
unconscionable.

What exactly would a "business friendly" United States look like?
Nevermind that. How about a worker-friendly United States?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uvnqlt

22 Statistics That Prove The Middle Class Is Being Systematically Wiped
Out Of Existence In America
Chazz
2010-12-06 16:07:16 UTC
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Post by Chazz
Post by Steve
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:56:06 -0600, "5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and
ripping people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but
hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make
a half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this
year or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
How about the government? With the government's help? Topfeeders?
Enjoying loopholes?
Post by Steve
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
You need to learn how to present an analogy.
HOW does one "earn" half a billion dollars, bubbles?
Zepp will never even know how to earn $50K
--
the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
As opposed to the "top feeders", from whom virtually nothing ever
trickles down, as is the ruse constantly used to justify "tax cuts for
the wealthy"? And by the way, they already do enjoy tax cuts, via
something called "loopholes". The claim that they pay the most taxes
is delusional. They may be *assessed" at higher rates...but they
certainly don't pay their fair share, so to speak.
And yes. They do "reinvest". Almost 100% of the time in themselves.
No real problem with that. Not anyone's business. But please, let's
not anyone delude themselves into believing they're the "job
creators". Ten years of the trillions in Bush tax cuts have proven
otherwise.
The main reason states are in as much trouble as they are...including
potentially defaulting on pension commitments (New Jersey, California,
Illinois and * ...is because Federal funds were necessarily, if not
incredibly unwisely, diverted...in order to fund those trillions.
Enter property tax hikes, cutbacks in first responder services...and
dwindling to completely disappearing funds for public services....
And...the beginnings of a recession. *Not* caused by a Congress
controlled by the Democrats the last 2 years of Bush's so-called
presidency. His Vice President has repeatedly stated that "deficits
don't matter". As did the "all that" president who wasn't, RR. In any
event, Bush didn't exercise one spending veto the first 6 years.
Suddenly, he found it in the last 2 years....after irreparable damage
had been done.
You've made the mindless mistake of categorizing the class of people
upon whom the entire U.S. economy runs and is based...as lazy and
irresponsible. "Power hungry community organizers" is too doltish a
remark to warrant further comment. Another FauxSnooze talking points
parrot.
A quote by Balzac (though possibly inaccurately attributed): "Behind
every great fortune lies a great crime"...no more applies to
*everyone* who's managed to amass one (though it applies in high
numbers)...than your ill-advised comments apply to the majority of
those looking merely to survive; e.g., food, shelter & clothing.
Outsourcing is another benefit of which corporations have increasingly
availed themselves. Why employ Americans, when they can cash in on
$1.00 an hour workers?
And don't blame unions. True, they over-reached in some
instances...but without them, the plight of the American worker would
have remained unconscionable.
What exactly would a "business friendly" United States look like?
Nevermind that. How about a worker-friendly United States?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uvnqlt
22 Statistics That Prove The Middle Class Is Being Systematically
Wiped Out Of Existence In America
(*New York...with others not far behind)
Thanatos
2010-12-05 20:55:27 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
..
Please point out any "analogy" in the above exchange. (Hint: other than
the irrelevant wolverine comment, there isn't one. You apparently don't
know what the word means.)
trotsky
2010-12-06 12:36:51 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Well, the analogy really went over both your heads.
..
Please point out any "analogy" in the above exchange. (Hint: other than
the irrelevant wolverine comment, there isn't one. You apparently don't
know what the word means.)
I agree with Thanny, I didn't see an analogy either. I did see a figure
of half a trillion dollars thrown out which Thanny either intentionally
misconstrued as the earnings of one person, or, because he's so
motherfucking stupid, actually *believed* the poster was talking about
the earnings of one person. Now Thanny, I know you're an anonymouse so
you have no balls, but can you try to "refudiate" what I just said?
Dano
2010-12-05 18:42:07 UTC
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Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Who said stealing? For that matter...who is this "they"? If you can't see
how tremendous inherited wealth gives a HUGE fucking advantage to someone,
you deserve everything bad that happens to you. Don't worry about the
wealthy you dope. They can take care of themselves. They're laughing at
you all the way to their bank..their yacht...the vacation home in Moustique.
Start paying attention to your own self interest. They are playing with a
stacked deck and you defend them. Let them worry about holding on to their
power and wealth. They won't worry about YOU.
Thanatos
2010-12-05 20:53:52 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of
money?
Post by First Post
Post by Thanatos
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Have you noticed that all they do is keep repeating how the top income
earners are only wealthy because they are thieves yet they never can
produce anything showing just what they are stealing or who they are
stealing it from.
Who said stealing?
Umm... the guy who's going by the screen name "5847 Dead, 990 since
1/20/09". He said, and I quote, "I think someone making $50,000,000 a
year is cheating and ripping people off."

Cheating and ripping people off = stealing.

Pay the fuck attention.
5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
2010-12-05 19:04:01 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Sorry--half a BILLION. And that's slightly over the median and below the
average for the 400 highest income earning individuals in America.

BTW, why don't you ask King if HE feels he won't be able to feed his
family if his taxes go up by $1.2 million a year in years when he makes
$40 million.
Thanatos
2010-12-05 20:52:12 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Non-responsive. You claimed that people who make that kind of money
cheat and rob other people. I'll ask again: who did King "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
BTW, why don't you ask King if HE feels he won't be able to feed his
family if his taxes go up by $1.2 million a year in years when he makes
$40 million.
Why would I need to ask him that? His personal affairs are his own.
Steve
2010-12-06 00:33:47 UTC
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:04:01 -0600, "5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
It's how much you produce as it is the quality of what you produce,
Dummy
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Sorry--half a BILLION. And that's slightly over the median and below the
average for the 400 highest income earning individuals in America.
BTW, why don't you ask King if HE feels he won't be able to feed his
family if his taxes go up by $1.2 million a year in years when he makes
$40 million.
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-06 01:00:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:04:01 -0600, "5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
It's how much you produce as it is the quality of what you produce,
Dummy
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Sorry--half a BILLION. And that's slightly over the median and below the
average for the 400 highest income earning individuals in America.
BTW, why don't you ask King if HE feels he won't be able to feed his
family if his taxes go up by $1.2 million a year in years when he makes
$40 million.
--
the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
Ummm...the left doesn't promote "communalistic" economies.

The extreme left? Maybe. Obama isn't anywhere near that. He's a centralist.

Go back to school.

..
Steve
2010-12-06 01:08:31 UTC
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:30:20 -0330, cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by Steve
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:04:01 -0600, "5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
It's how much you produce as it is the quality of what you produce,
Dummy
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think people should be rewarded for laziness, but hard-working
people should be taxed dry
You're the one fighting like a wolverine to protect people who make a
half a trillion a year from a 3% tax hike. Who EARNS that kind of money?
No one. Name one person who has earned $500 billion dollars in this year
or any other.
Sorry--half a BILLION. And that's slightly over the median and below the
average for the 400 highest income earning individuals in America.
BTW, why don't you ask King if HE feels he won't be able to feed his
family if his taxes go up by $1.2 million a year in years when he makes
$40 million.
--
the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
Ummm...the left doesn't promote "communalistic" economies.
Leftists do promote communalistic economics.. it's your total agenda.
Post by cloud dreamer
The extreme left? Maybe. Obama isn't anywhere near that. He's a centralist.
Go back to school.
..
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
trotsky
2010-12-06 12:31:22 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
2010-12-06 16:05:12 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?

Granted, most years he only makes 5 or 6 million. Plus income from
investments, of course.

I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
David Hartung
2010-12-06 17:44:34 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by trotsky
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Granted, most years he only makes 5 or 6 million. Plus income from
investments, of course.
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
My guess is that you would be sinning a different tune if you were the
one making over $5 million a year. Face it, you are simply green with
envy, and just like a child, if you can't have it, no one else should.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2010-12-06 18:53:31 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation

It's a question of fairness related to social justice between two
citizens who reside in the same nation, enjoy the guaranteed benefits,
and one is burdened harsher by being poor---the other not at all.
Thanatos
2010-12-06 23:40:44 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation
It's a question of fairness related to social justice
"Social justice". Just a euphemism for property theft at the point of a
gun.
5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
2010-12-06 23:46:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Thanatos
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation
It's a question of fairness related to social justice
"Social justice". Just a euphemism for property theft at the point of a
gun.
Randroidism--Just a euphemism for sociopathy.
Thanatos
2010-12-07 00:01:27 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation
It's a question of fairness related to social justice
"Social justice". Just a euphemism for property theft at the point of a
gun.
Randroidism--Just a euphemism for sociopathy.
Ah, yes. There we have it. Anyone who isn't a marxist must be a
sociopath.

Thanks for turning yourself into a cartoon.
5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
2010-12-07 00:42:41 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:44:34 -0600, David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a
prodigious output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he
really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation
It's a question of fairness related to social justice
"Social justice". Just a euphemism for property theft at the point of
a gun.
Randroidism--Just a euphemism for sociopathy.
Ah, yes. There we have it. Anyone who isn't a marxist must be a
sociopath.
Thanks for turning yourself into a cartoon.
You're the moron who is squeaking that anyone who doesn't march in lock-
step with you is a "marxist". You don't even have the brains to realize
it's a proper noun, let alone what it means.
Thanatos
2010-12-07 01:04:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:44:34 -0600, David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a
prodigious output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he
really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation
It's a question of fairness related to social justice
"Social justice". Just a euphemism for property theft at the point of
a gun.
Randroidism--Just a euphemism for sociopathy.
Ah, yes. There we have it. Anyone who isn't a marxist must be a
sociopath.
Thanks for turning yourself into a cartoon.
You're the moron who is squeaking that anyone who doesn't march in lock-
step with you is a "marxist".
Actually, I said no such thing. But why let facts get in the way with
your delusion?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
You don't even have the brains to realize
it's a proper noun
Ah, the typo flame. Last refuge of terminally stupid.
trotsky
2010-12-07 12:59:20 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:44:34 -0600, David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a
prodigious output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he
really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation
It's a question of fairness related to social justice
"Social justice". Just a euphemism for property theft at the point of
a gun.
Randroidism--Just a euphemism for sociopathy.
Ah, yes. There we have it. Anyone who isn't a marxist must be a
sociopath.
Thanks for turning yourself into a cartoon.
You're the moron who is squeaking that anyone who doesn't march in lock-
step with you is a "marxist".
Actually, I said no such thing. But why let facts get in the way with
your delusion?
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
You don't even have the brains to realize
it's a proper noun
Ah, the typo flame. Last refuge of terminally stupid.
Really? You're claiming that was typo? Being a lying sack of shit--the
last refuge of lying sacks of shit.

LOL!
trotsky
2010-12-07 12:57:56 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:44:34 -0600, David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a
prodigious output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he
really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
It's not a question of fairness related to compensation
It's a question of fairness related to social justice
"Social justice". Just a euphemism for property theft at the point of
a gun.
Randroidism--Just a euphemism for sociopathy.
Ah, yes. There we have it. Anyone who isn't a marxist must be a
sociopath.
Thanks for turning yourself into a cartoon.
You're the moron who is squeaking that anyone who doesn't march in lock-
step with you is a "marxist". You don't even have the brains to realize
it's a proper noun, let alone what it means.
I use the following to describe this situation: Thanny is always
thinking with his fanny.
Steve
2010-12-06 23:51:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by trotsky
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Given that he makes that money because people are willing to bu his
books, I would say that his "production" is worth what he makes.
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Granted, most years he only makes 5 or 6 million. Plus income from
investments, of course.
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
My guess is that you would be sinning a different tune if you were the
one making over $5 million a year. Face it, you are simply green with
envy, and just like a child, if you can't have it, no one else should.
It's called class envy and Zepp is it's spokesperson.
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
Thanatos
2010-12-06 23:39:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year?
Apparently so. People wanted the books enough to buy them.
Is he really 2,000 times as valuable to society as the housekeeper
who tidies his kitchen?
Apparently so. No one valued the housekeeper's services enough to pay
him/her $40,000,000 to do it.
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
At which point all the people with money would up and leave and take the
country's wealth with them.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2010-12-07 02:34:55 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
At which point all the people with money would up and leave and take the
country's wealth with them.
So---why didn't they when tax rates were once that high?
Dano
2010-12-07 03:32:12 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
At which point all the people with money would up and leave and take the
country's wealth with them.
So---why didn't they when tax rates were once that high?
Like under that huge socialist Dwight David Eisenhower.
relic
2010-12-07 04:32:29 UTC
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Post by Dano
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
At which point all the people with money would up and leave and take the
country's wealth with them.
So---why didn't they when tax rates were once that high?
Like under that huge socialist Dwight David Eisenhower.
With the deductions available to them then, they paid a lot less in taxes,
if any, than they do now.
Dano
2010-12-07 04:44:38 UTC
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Post by relic
Post by Dano
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
At which point all the people with money would up and leave and take the
country's wealth with them.
So---why didn't they when tax rates were once that high?
Like under that huge socialist Dwight David Eisenhower.
With the deductions available to them then, they paid a lot less in taxes,
if any, than they do now.
Yeah...yeah...I know. Those poor rich guys just keep taking it up the ass
don't they? Boo fucking hoo...
Thanatos
2010-12-07 11:56:15 UTC
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Post by Dano
Post by relic
Post by Dano
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
At which point all the people with money would up and leave and take
the
Post by relic
Post by Dano
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Thanatos
country's wealth with them.
So---why didn't they when tax rates were once that high?
Like under that huge socialist Dwight David Eisenhower.
With the deductions available to them then, they paid a lot less in taxes,
if any, than they do now.
Yeah...yeah...I know. Those poor rich guys just keep taking it up the ass
don't they? Boo fucking hoo...
LOL! He completely torpedoes the claim you were trying to make, and the
best you can do in response is irrelevant sarcasm?

You're a cartoon.
trotsky
2010-12-07 13:04:05 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by Dano
Post by relic
Post by Dano
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
At which point all the people with money would up and leave and take
the
Post by relic
Post by Dano
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Thanatos
country's wealth with them.
So---why didn't they when tax rates were once that high?
Like under that huge socialist Dwight David Eisenhower.
With the deductions available to them then, they paid a lot less in taxes,
if any, than they do now.
Yeah...yeah...I know. Those poor rich guys just keep taking it up the ass
don't they? Boo fucking hoo...
LOL! He completely torpedoes the claim you were trying to make, and the
best you can do in response is irrelevant sarcasm?
You're a cartoon.
You seem to be a shining beacon of self-awareness, Thanny--how would you
describe yourself?
Steve
2010-12-06 23:51:46 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:05:12 -0600, "5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by trotsky
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
Apparently he is...
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Granted, most years he only makes 5 or 6 million. Plus income from
investments, of course.
I think there should be a tax rate of 90% on all income over about five
million a year.
Nobody cares what you non-citizens think about it..
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
trotsky
2010-12-07 12:53:32 UTC
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Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by trotsky
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and
would seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having
people properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
David Hartung
2010-12-07 12:55:37 UTC
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That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
First Post
2010-12-07 13:31:59 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Unless of course you are speaking of George Soros or any liberal icon
then they are entitled to every penny they keep in offshore accounts.
Kust another typical liberal hypocrite.
trotsky
2010-12-07 13:42:15 UTC
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Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Interesting how you decided to go with Thanny's level of
disingenuousness. No CEO is worth 1000 times the pay of an average
worker. If you stupid motherfuckers can get your heads out of each
other's anuses long enough to make an argument for this I'm all ears.
Instead, what we usually get with you mental midgets is the march back
to the woodwork whence you came.

Buh bye!
Steve
2010-12-07 13:51:17 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Interesting how you decided to go with Thanny's level of
disingenuousness. No CEO is worth 1000 times the pay of an average
worker.
...in your opinion... which carries no weight.
Post by trotsky
If you stupid motherfuckers can get your heads out of each
other's anuses long enough to make an argument for this I'm all ears.
Sorry, no argument required..
Post by trotsky
Instead, what we usually get with you mental midgets is the march back
to the woodwork whence you came.
Buh bye!
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
trotsky
2010-12-07 23:20:07 UTC
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Post by Steve
Post by trotsky
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Interesting how you decided to go with Thanny's level of
disingenuousness. No CEO is worth 1000 times the pay of an average
worker.
...in your opinion... which carries no weight.
So what you're saying is at this point there is not hope of you pulling
your head out of your ass and proffering an opinion? To quote a line
from the movie "Blade": "Why is it that some motherfuckers are always
trying to ice skate uphill?"

BTW, this is a topic that is *frequently* covered in the news. A
modicum of intelligence may be required to know this, though.
Post by Steve
Post by trotsky
If you stupid motherfuckers can get your heads out of each
other's anuses long enough to make an argument for this I'm all ears.
Sorry, no argument required..
Intellectual bankruptcy from yet another stupid fuck. Next!
Steve
2010-12-07 23:28:48 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Steve
Post by trotsky
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Interesting how you decided to go with Thanny's level of
disingenuousness. No CEO is worth 1000 times the pay of an average
worker.
...in your opinion... which carries no weight.
So what you're saying is at this point there is not hope of you pulling
your head out of your ass and proffering an opinion?
Argue with an opinion? Why? It's your opinion and you're entitled
to it...
Post by trotsky
To quote a line
from the movie "Blade": "Why is it that some motherfuckers are always
trying to ice skate uphill?"
BTW, this is a topic that is *frequently* covered in the news. A
modicum of intelligence may be required to know this, though.
I'm really not interested in what others are paid.. The only time I
was interested was back when it was me that was paying them.
Post by trotsky
Post by Steve
Post by trotsky
If you stupid motherfuckers can get your heads out of each
other's anuses long enough to make an argument for this I'm all ears.
Sorry, no argument required..
Intellectual bankruptcy from yet another stupid fuck. Next!
I see no reason to contest your right to express your class envy.. In
fact, I find it somewhat amusing..
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
David Hartung
2010-12-07 14:08:02 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Interesting how you decided to go with Thanny's level of
disingenuousness. No CEO is worth 1000 times the pay of an average
worker. If you stupid motherfuckers can get your heads out of each
other's anuses long enough to make an argument for this I'm all ears.
Instead, what we usually get with you mental midgets is the march back
to the woodwork whence you came.
Buh bye!
The question remains unanswered, do you know what a CEO does, and is
responsible for? How long do you think Fred Smith would stay at Fedex if
the Board of Directors were to reduce his pay to the level of a rank and
file congressman?
First Post
2010-12-07 21:40:35 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by trotsky
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Interesting how you decided to go with Thanny's level of
disingenuousness. No CEO is worth 1000 times the pay of an average
worker. If you stupid motherfuckers can get your heads out of each
other's anuses long enough to make an argument for this I'm all ears.
Instead, what we usually get with you mental midgets is the march back
to the woodwork whence you came.
Buh bye!
The question remains unanswered, do you know what a CEO does, and is
responsible for? How long do you think Fred Smith would stay at Fedex if
the Board of Directors were to reduce his pay to the level of a rank and
file congressman?
I think trotsky is extremely overpaid for his position. So I think
his own employer should cut his pay and distribute it equally among
the other employees. Whatever he gets in pay now is definitely more
than anything he does is worth. So he should just hunker down and do
the tight thing by giving up a big chunk of his paycheck in the name
of fairness. Because there is no doubt that there are people do as
much or more than he does without getting near the compensationn he
receives. So he should either abide by his own logic or be a
hypocrite. Easy choice yes?
David Hartung
2010-12-07 22:10:08 UTC
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Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
Post by trotsky
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Interesting how you decided to go with Thanny's level of
disingenuousness. No CEO is worth 1000 times the pay of an average
worker. If you stupid motherfuckers can get your heads out of each
other's anuses long enough to make an argument for this I'm all ears.
Instead, what we usually get with you mental midgets is the march back
to the woodwork whence you came.
Buh bye!
The question remains unanswered, do you know what a CEO does, and is
responsible for? How long do you think Fred Smith would stay at Fedex if
the Board of Directors were to reduce his pay to the level of a rank and
file congressman?
I think trotsky is extremely overpaid for his position. So I think
his own employer should cut his pay and distribute it equally among
the other employees. Whatever he gets in pay now is definitely more
than anything he does is worth. So he should just hunker down and do
the tight thing by giving up a big chunk of his paycheck in the name
of fairness. Because there is no doubt that there are people do as
much or more than he does without getting near the compensationn he
receives. So he should either abide by his own logic or be a
hypocrite. Easy choice yes?
An interesting thought. :)
Dano
2010-12-07 22:30:25 UTC
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"First Post" <***@Invalid.org> wrote in message:

<snip; yada yada yada>
Post by First Post
So he should just hunker down and do
the tight thing by giving up a big chunk of his paycheck in the name
of fairness. Because there is no doubt that there are people do as
much or more than he does without getting near the compensationn he
receives. So he should either abide by his own logic or be a
hypocrite. Easy choice yes?
Sure is...

<PLONK>
Thanatos
2010-12-07 22:50:06 UTC
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Post by Dano
<snip; yada yada yada>
Post by First Post
So he should just hunker down and do
the tight thing by giving up a big chunk of his paycheck in the name
of fairness. Because there is no doubt that there are people do as
much or more than he does without getting near the compensationn he
receives. So he should either abide by his own logic or be a
hypocrite. Easy choice yes?
Sure is...
<PLONK>
And another coward runs away...
David Hartung
2010-12-07 22:53:31 UTC
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Post by Thanatos
Post by Dano
<snip; yada yada yada>
Post by First Post
So he should just hunker down and do
the tight thing by giving up a big chunk of his paycheck in the name
of fairness. Because there is no doubt that there are people do as
much or more than he does without getting near the compensationn he
receives. So he should either abide by his own logic or be a
hypocrite. Easy choice yes?
Sure is...
<PLONK>
And another coward runs away...
This is by no means all inclusive, but my observation is that many of
our ultra left wing brethren will killfile someone for no other reason
than that they oppose the ideas being put forth. On the other hand,
those on the right generally reserve the killfile for idiots such as
Roselles who are completely unable to engage in civil discourse.
Dano
2010-12-07 13:43:48 UTC
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Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Unless of course you are speaking of George Soros or any liberal icon
then they are entitled to every penny they keep in offshore accounts.
Kust another typical liberal hypocrite.
That doesn't justify the obscene bonuses thrown around to these folks.
Often a reward for eliminating jobs to increase profits. Reward increased
productivity by giving hard working folks their walking papers. Swell.

Also...please defend how they get rewarded when they actually do a crappy
job.

It would nice to see a profit model where workers get rewarded along with
the almighty CEO's and stockholders.
Steve
2010-12-07 13:51:17 UTC
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Post by Dano
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Unless of course you are speaking of George Soros or any liberal icon
then they are entitled to every penny they keep in offshore accounts.
Kust another typical liberal hypocrite.
That doesn't justify the obscene bonuses thrown around to these folks.
Often a reward for eliminating jobs to increase profits. Reward increased
productivity by giving hard working folks their walking papers. Swell.
Also...please defend how they get rewarded when they actually do a crappy
job.
It would nice to see a profit model where workers get rewarded along with
the almighty CEO's and stockholders.
OTOH, it's none of your business.
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
David Hartung
2010-12-07 14:09:20 UTC
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Post by Dano
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Unless of course you are speaking of George Soros or any liberal icon
then they are entitled to every penny they keep in offshore accounts.
Kust another typical liberal hypocrite.
That doesn't justify the obscene bonuses thrown around to these folks.
Often a reward for eliminating jobs to increase profits. Reward
increased productivity by giving hard working folks their walking
papers. Swell.
Unless you own stock in the corporation in question, the level of
bonuses paid to executives is none of your business.
Dano
2010-12-07 15:45:16 UTC
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Post by Dano
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Unless of course you are speaking of George Soros or any liberal icon
then they are entitled to every penny they keep in offshore accounts.
Kust another typical liberal hypocrite.
That doesn't justify the obscene bonuses thrown around to these folks.
Often a reward for eliminating jobs to increase profits. Reward
increased productivity by giving hard working folks their walking
papers. Swell.
Unless you own stock in the corporation in question, the level of bonuses
paid to executives is none of your business.
Sure it is. It inflates the price of whatever product is produced. Lowers
worker morale. Takes dollars out of the economy that would be spent by
workers. Lowers the tax revenues derived from worker salaries. I could go
on, but being an apologist for the privileged wealthy pricks that are
crashing our nation's economy, you'll dismiss all of those out of hand. And
why exactly is it YOUR business to defend those who certainly need no help?
They can very well take care of themselves. Are you a personal lobbyist for
the filthy rich?

Now. Check out the rise in CEO compensation and compare to the average
worker. Are you honestly saying good people won't take those jobs with
lower levels of compensation? Actually...in some cases that compensation
HAS come down. 30% over the last three years according to Forbes. Yet some
are still getting ridiculous packages that IMO (I still get one despite what
totalitarian types like YOU might prefer) are out of line...especially in a
struggling economy. Explain the hideous job done by many CEO's and defend
the golden parachutes they exited with. At the very least they could (and
should) be offered deals that better tied overall success to the
compensation offered. I'd also love to see more emphasis placed on
providing jobs which in turn provides more consumers and taxpayers. Unless
of course you'd prefer this country become a third world nation with an ever
greater wealth disparity.

But having said all this. I would feel a hell of a lot better if we at
least hammered them with a far higher tax burden. They can certainly afford
it. The country needs it. If the nation is stronger, they too will benefit
greatly. THAT would be true patriotism were they to actually embrace that.
But most won't. Why? Because they could not possibly care less in many if
not most cases. And folks like you...who enable them...by not demanding
more from them...are an even worse problem than they are.
David Hartung
2010-12-07 16:13:47 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Unless you own stock in the corporation in question, the level of
bonuses paid to executives is none of your business.
Sure it is. It inflates the price of whatever product is produced.
Lowers worker morale. Takes dollars out of the economy that would be
spent by workers. Lowers the tax revenues derived from worker salaries.
I could go on, but being an apologist for the privileged wealthy pricks
that are crashing our nation's economy, you'll dismiss all of those out
of hand. And why exactly is it YOUR business to defend those who
certainly need no help? They can very well take care of themselves. Are
you a personal lobbyist for the filthy rich?
I apologize for no one or nothing. I simply state facts. The manner in
which a business is run is the concern of those who own the business and
no one else. In a corporation, the owners are the shareholders.
Now. Check out the rise in CEO compensation and compare to the average
worker. Are you honestly saying good people won't take those jobs with
lower levels of compensation? Actually...in some cases that compensation
HAS come down. 30% over the last three years according to Forbes. Yet
some are still getting ridiculous packages that IMO (I still get one
despite what totalitarian types like YOU might prefer) are out of
line...especially in a struggling economy. Explain the hideous job done
by many CEO's and defend the golden parachutes they exited with. At the
very least they could (and should) be offered deals that better tied
overall success to the compensation offered. I'd also love to see more
emphasis placed on providing jobs which in turn provides more consumers
and taxpayers. Unless of course you'd prefer this country become a third
world nation with an ever greater wealth disparity.
You really need to learn some basic economics.

CEO salaries are based upon market value. The CEOs will be paid what is
required to entice them to take the job. Any responsible board of
directors will want to hire the best CEO they can afford. Again, the
compensation of this CEO is not your concern.
But having said all this. I would feel a hell of a lot better if we at
least hammered them with a far higher tax burden. They can certainly
afford it. The country needs it. If the nation is stronger, they too
will benefit greatly. THAT would be true patriotism were they to
actually embrace that. But most won't. Why? Because they could not
possibly care less in many if not most cases. And folks like you...who
enable them...by not demanding more from them...are an even worse
problem than they are.
Would it not be better to reduce spending and allow these people to keep
more of what they have earned?
Dano
2010-12-07 17:05:36 UTC
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"David Hartung" <***@hotmai*l.com> wrote in message news:***@giganews.com...

<snip>
Post by David Hartung
I apologize for no one or nothing. I simply state facts.
No. You really don't. I won't even waste any more breath on that since it
ought to be quite clearly the case to anyone reading.
Post by David Hartung
Would it not be better to reduce spending and allow these people to keep
more of what they have earned?
Sure would. But NO ONE wants to do that on either side. Our infrastructure
is in dire need of repair. If nothing else, that alone would put folks to
work and help the economy. There are certain things any society should help
provide for. But this country is determined to run the whole damn planet,
if not remake all societies in our own flawed image. We need to take care
of our own house...but instead we spend trillions on fighting unwinnable
wars and defending "friends" who won't even admit they like or support us
half the time. In many cases in support of multi-national corporations that
are earning obscene profits off the misery of others.

There are other things...like healthcare for everyone...like education that
won't put our next generation into bankruptcy before they even get started
in life...that we CAN and should provide. Instead the health of our people
is treated as just another profit making scheme. Is even human life less
important than profit to you people? You support the "right" of the rich to
accumulate unlimited wealth, but you think people who can't afford good
decent care should live shorter more painful existences in order to make
others rich beyond belief. Greed is all you honor.
trotsky
2010-12-08 00:36:16 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Dano
Post by First Post
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
In trotsky's little fantasy world the owners of companies deserve no
more pay than the office boy or mailroom clerk.
Unless of course you are speaking of George Soros or any liberal icon
then they are entitled to every penny they keep in offshore accounts.
Kust another typical liberal hypocrite.
That doesn't justify the obscene bonuses thrown around to these folks.
Often a reward for eliminating jobs to increase profits. Reward
increased productivity by giving hard working folks their walking
papers. Swell.
Unless you own stock in the corporation in question, the level of
bonuses paid to executives is none of your business.
You missed the entire TARP episode, then? Do any of you sanctimonious
clowns have even a smidgen of knowledge on this or any subject?

trotsky
2010-12-07 13:34:53 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
I'm reasonably sure anything he or sure does isn't worth 80 or 100
million to anybody. You?
Steve
2010-12-07 13:39:53 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
I'm reasonably sure anything he or sure does isn't worth 80 or 100
million to anybody.
Quite obviously, it is.
--

the only people who benefit from the communalistic economics that
leftists promote are the lazy, irresponible bottom feeders and
the power hungry community organizers.
David Hartung
2010-12-07 14:11:16 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by David Hartung
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and would
seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having people
properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
Just out of curiosity, have you any idea what the CEO of a major
corporation does, or is responsible for?
I'm reasonably sure anything he or sure does isn't worth 80 or 100
million to anybody. You?
If it isn't, then he would not be making that level of income.

Your problem is simply that you are jealous. Your skills aren't worth
much in the marketplace, and you are jealous of those who's skills
command a high income.
Thanatos
2010-12-07 23:05:00 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by Thanatos
Post by 5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
Post by First Post
You think if a person makes more than $50,000/year, then he/she is
cheating people and ripping them off.
No, I think someone making $50,000,000 a year is cheating and ripping
people off.
Why?
Stephen King made $40,000,000 in one year. Who did he "cheat and rip
off" by writing books people wanted to buy?
So are you saying he worked a thousand times harder than a typical
American family? Did he produce a thousand times as much?
Are you kidding? The son of a bitch writes three books a day.
Actually, it's more like a book every 8 months. Still a prodigious
output. But is it worth $40 million a year? Is he really 2,000 times as
valuable to society as the housekeeper who tidies his kitchen?
That's the nature of capitalism. CEOs can make more than that, and
would seem to do quite a bit less for their money than King. Having
people properly taxed for their incomes is the great equalizer.
The *only* moral and constitutional justification for taxes (which are
nothing more than forced property confiscation) is to fund the necessary
functions of government. Not to make life "fair" or "equal" for everyone.

If you're taking money from one person and giving it to another in some
delusional hope that you can somehow make life "fair", you're nothing
but a thief, taking things that don't belong to you against the wishes
of the rightful owners.
5847 Dead, 990 since 1/20/09
2010-12-05 16:51:27 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under
them and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely
take over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone
in the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on
comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact? Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/
browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by cloud dreamer
..
Evidently Republicans dismiss 98% of Americans as being "poor".
chrisv
2010-12-05 17:27:56 UTC
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Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting in
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 17:32:40 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats
voting in tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
I said another poster. Not another poster in this thread. Nice try
distracting from the relevance of the post.

The point remains. You right wingers can't make up your minds.

..
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We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us
Dano
2010-12-05 18:29:12 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting in
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by chrisv
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.

Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
chrisv
2010-12-05 18:42:26 UTC
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Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under
them
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone
in
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by chrisv
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you see
any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 18:45:27 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under
them
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because
everyone
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by First Post
Post by cloud dreamer
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats
voting
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by cloud dreamer
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you
see any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
Never said it was in that thread. Just that another poster said it.

Distracting from the point. You're all hypocrites.

..
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us
chrisv
2010-12-05 19:03:18 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:43:53 -0330, cloud
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under
them
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because
everyone
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats
voting
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by cloud dreamer
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you
see any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
Never said it was in that thread. Just that another poster said it.
Distracting from the point. You're all hypocrites.
You need to read headers.
cloud dreamer
2010-12-05 19:13:19 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:43:53 -0330, cloud >>
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work
under
them
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely
take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and
only by
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because
everyone
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on
comfortably.
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung
statements >> out
Post by cloud dreamer
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats
voting
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by cloud dreamer
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you
see any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
Never said it was in that thread. Just that another poster said it.
Distracting from the point. You're all hypocrites.
You need to read headers.
When you can't answer the argument, distract.

Typical.

Well, enough time wasted with you.

<plonk>

..
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We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us
relic
2010-12-06 00:41:32 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:43:53 -0330, cloud >>
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work
under
them
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely
take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and
only by
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because
everyone
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on
comfortably.
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung
statements >> out
Post by cloud dreamer
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats
voting
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by cloud dreamer
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you
see any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
Never said it was in that thread. Just that another poster said it.
Distracting from the point. You're all hypocrites.
You need to read headers.
When you can't answer the argument, distract.
Didn't you notice who chrisv replied to?
Post by cloud dreamer
Typical.
Well, enough time wasted with you.
<plonk>
slink...
cloud dreamer
2010-12-06 00:58:48 UTC
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Post by relic
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:43:53 -0330, cloud >>
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work
under
them
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
and there are not sufficient military controllers to
safely
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe
with
annual
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're
whining
about
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
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how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" --
for >>>>>>> the
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ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million
dollars.
Sounds
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like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and
only by
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working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because
everyone
in
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks
Post by cloud dreamer
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that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on
comfortably.
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Post by cloud dreamer
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung
statements >> out
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of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats
voting
in
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you
see any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
Never said it was in that thread. Just that another poster said it.
Distracting from the point. You're all hypocrites.
You need to read headers.
When you can't answer the argument, distract.
Didn't you notice who chrisv replied to?
Yes. To me. Or to a point involving me.
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Post by cloud dreamer
Typical.
Well, enough time wasted with you.
<plonk>
slink...
Freedom of speech also means Freedom from speech.

Chrisv has avoided the point and whined about the location of the post.
Sorry, I have better things to do than entertain his avoidance disorder.

Or yours.

<plonk>

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Dano
2010-12-05 19:12:07 UTC
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:43:53 -0330, cloud
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But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under
them
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and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely
take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual
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salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because
everyone
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he
thinks
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats
voting
in
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by cloud dreamer
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you
see any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
Never said it was in that thread. Just that another poster said it.
Distracting from the point. You're all hypocrites.
You need to read headers.
You need to get a fucking clue.
Dano
2010-12-05 19:11:12 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
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Post by cloud dreamer
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:43:53 -0330, cloud
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
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But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under
them
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
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Post by David Hartung
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and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with
annual
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
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salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining
about
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the
ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars.
Sounds
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone
in
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by cloud dreamer
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Go to the patriots newsgroup and read the thread about democrats voting
in
Post by chrisv
Post by cloud dreamer
tax cuts only for "poor people."
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/1ade158a6c7fb928?hl=en#
Post by chrisv
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by chrisv
What in hell has the patriots newsgroup got to do with this thread?
About as much as alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has to do with rec.arts.tv.
Pull your head out. Listen for the "plop".
Are you actually that ignorant? Look at the named newsgroups... do you see
any mention of the Patriots? Stick your head back where it was.
I don't see any mention of TV in the subject either asshole...didn't stop
the cross-posting POS poster from including it.
Chazz
2010-12-05 15:43:31 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
..
Care to cite the other poster instead of just pulliung statements out
of your ass and claiming them to be fact?
Didn't think so.
Aside from the idiotic subject line (why do most Republicans sound
exactly like the one-trick ponies...Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity,
Coulter-geist...Malkin, Ingraham, O'Reilley?) and this curious,
diversionary...seemingly clueless query...

...the asses from whom statements without basis are coming and are
easily identifiable...the Republicans and DINO's...

All over the news...except for FauxSnooze, perhaps...they also parrot
the "those unemployed don't want jobs and extending unemployment
benefits will just keep them on their lazy asses" Republican squawking
point....they can be seen at Congressional hearings and during voting...

Let's hear it for those tax cuts for the "wealthier"...if not
wealthiest...or else, those making less suffer the consequences. The
Republican/DINO way...which is no way.
trotsky
2010-12-05 13:56:30 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by cloud dreamer
Post by David Hartung
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Post by Thanatos
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
But the civilian air traffic controllers refuse to work under them
and there are not sufficient military controllers to safely take
over. The controllers, who are the best paid in Europe with annual
salaries of up to one million euros,
They're making a million smackers a year and they're whining about
how terrible their jobs are?
One Million Euros do not equal "a million smackers" -- for the ignorant
amongst us.
As of today, a million Euros equals about 1.3 million dollars. Sounds
like pretty good wages to be an air traffic controller.
Umm...only ten of the 2300 controllers made that wage and only by
working overtime.
The average wage is 200,000 Euro a year.
Which is about 260,000 USD. Still not bad.
Really? According to another poster, it's not enough because everyone in
the US making over $250,000 is not part of the tax cuts and he thinks
that's unfair because it's not enough money to live on comfortably.
When are you people going to make up your minds???
When they get the memo from either right wing talk radio or Faux News.
Mr.B1ack
2010-12-05 07:13:42 UTC
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Clearly the Spanish still want something for nothing ...
'free money' .... a lifestyle not supported by their
actual national income.

Ain't gonna work.
Mason Barge
2010-12-05 19:47:16 UTC
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On 4 Dec 2010 15:10:55 +0100, "Knifefight Afterdance"
Post by Knifefight Afterdance
Travel News: Spain declares State of Alert after wildcat strikes
The Spanish government has declared a State of Alert following a
walkout by air traffic controllers, which has left at least 20,000
stranded.
December 4, 2010
Hundreds of thousands of passengers were left stranded by the walkout,
which came during one of Spain's busiest weekends for travel.
The Spanish government was holding crisis talks to try and force the
air traffic controllers back to work, and police were gathering at the
control centres in case the government decided to arrest the
controllers.
Two words: Ronald Reagan

Why go to all the trouble of throwing them in jail? Just let them find new
jobs as they are replaced. And cut the new hires' pay by 30%, saving the
gov't much needed money and helping to prevent the collapse of the EU.

And amigos -- bueno luck at nailing down a 200K euro job these days.
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